- John Krasinski, the director and star of "A Quiet Place," talked to Business Insider about making a movie he didn't know anyone would like.
- He also touched on why he decided to put on a motion-capture suit and act as the creature at the end of the movie, and the disastrous reaction of the test-screening audience members when they saw him in it.
- Krasinski said that after talking to Emily Blunt, his wife and costar, he realized that the sequel to the movie is actually not a sequel.
- Krasinski explained why he's not a fan of the idea of a "popular film" Oscar category.
It was one of the riskiest releases by a big studio in 2018: a horror movie with very little dialogue directed by the guy best known for making funny faces to the camera on "The Office."
But Paramount, John Krasinski, and his movie "A Quiet Place" are now the toast of Hollywood.
The horror film, starring Krasinski and Emily Blunt, his wife, follows a family trying to survive amid creatures who kill anything that makes a sound. It became a critical darling, a box-office sensation - made for $17 million, it earned over $340 million worldwide at the box office - and is now in the hunt for Oscar recognition.
Business Insider chatted with Krasinski the day after "A Quiet Place" was recognized as one of the 10 best movies of the year by the National Board of Review. (One step closer to Oscar glory.) We delved into what it was like to make a movie no one involved knew whether audiences would like, why after initially declining to make a sequel he's now on board, and the reason he wouldn't have wanted his movie to be considered for the controversial "popular film" Oscar category.
Jason Guerrasio: Can you recall the moment when you knew this movie could actually work?
John Krasinski: I remember we were filming a scene where Emily was doing homeschooling with Noah [Jupe, who plays the son, Marcus], and it was Day Three. And I had written the movie with sign language. So it was that thing of "Can we pull this off?" But every day that went by was helpful to see it play out, other than theorize that it would be great.
But in that scene, two things happened. Emily was obviously amazing, but one of the things is air started coming out of her mouth when she was mouthing the words as she was signing. There was something so beautiful in that. In that moment, I realized you can even communicate with breath, with no voice. That was really beautiful to me.
Then on top of that was Noah. To watch this kid dealing with these circumstances that are completely imaginary but heavy for a kid to deal with - apocalyptic, losing a family member, a father who has fallen out of love with the whole family - these are big themes, and this kid was able to articulate in that one scene such powerful emotion that it felt so real. I genuinely started tearing up behind the monitor watching this kid act because it was so moving.
I remember after that I turned to my producer, and I said, "Holy s---, dude, this might actually work!" And he said, "Hey, man, it's Day Three! It's a little too late to say this might work." So from that moment on, I learned to keep my excitement to myself that this magic trick might actually work.
Guerrasio: But that's fascinating that it wasn't in post-production or watching it with an audience - though I'm sure that confirmed it - but that you could even feel the movie working on set.
Krasinski: Absolutely. And I think that's the thing about a magic trick: You plan and plan and plan, but at the end of the day, you've got to pull it off. It is based on what the audience takes from it. With this in particular, we did need the audience to know if the magic trick worked. You just keep hoping it's going to work. We felt we had made something that was either an art-house movie that no one will ever see but we love it, or someone might actually like it.
So the day before we world-premiered it at SXSW, I was sitting in the mixing stage with my sound designer and mixer, and we were literally putting on the final moments of the movie, at 5:30 the morning of the day we were flying to Austin to show the movie - it was insane. And we all finished the movie, and everyone was feeling really proud, and I turned to my sound designer, who has done everything from "Saving Private Ryan" to a Terrence Malick movie, and I said, "Is this going to work? Is this too much for people?" And I'll never forget: He said, "I don't know, man, but you've got to go with it now. When are you ever going to be able to take this big of a swing again?" And I thought, "Thank you, but that wasn't the compliment I was looking for."
So to the last minute we knew we were pushing the boundaries. Not to sound corny, but this is the reason I got into this business. No one gets into this wanting to do cookie-cutter stuff.
Guerrasio: One of the growing legends of your movie was that for the one test screening you had, there's footage of you in a motion-capture suit acting out the final scene as the creature confronting Emily Blunt and Millicent Simmonds' characters. [Simmonds plays the daughter, Reagan.] Explain how it came to you getting in the suit.
Krasinski: We had Scott Farrar, who is one of the original five guys at Industrial Light and Magic, and he was basically going to be our consultant for 24 hours to explain how our movie would interface with ILM, because they did all the creature work, and he ended up staying on for the whole movie, seven more weeks, which he hadn't done for years and years. And he said he did that because this kind of movie is why he got in the business. He said it was like summer camp all over again. So me doing the creature was the summer-camp vibe.
Scott was on set that day, and we were talking about how the creature moves through the room. And Scott kept saying, "John, he's low to the ground, so we've got to make sure the camera knows he's low to the grown for eye line." And we were talking it through, and I finally said, "Yeah, that's not how I see it - I sort of see it like this." And Scott goes, "Just put on the suit, man." And I was like, "What?" He was like, "Just put on the suit and do it." And I was like, "All right." So I went upstairs, put on the suit, still had my Vans on.
So during the test screening, we were like 86% percent of the movie through, and we were shocked that they really liked this movie. Then all of a sudden my giant foot with Vans on shows up, and we slowly pan up my very colorful, very tight, revealing suit, and end on me with a beard pretending to roar. I think there is even audio of me being like [high-pitched] "Rooooaaaarrr!" And the entire place exploded into laughter, and I was like, "Our movie is doomed."
Guerrasio: "What have I done!"
Krasinski: Right. "What have I done! I've just made the worst greatest comedy."
Guerrasio: Will we see that footage ever?
Krasinski: With any luck, no. [Laughs] Because the producers are friends of mine now, rather than just producers who think it would be a fun piece of content.
Guerrasio: You have said that Emily shooting the creature at the end of the movie was not how you planned the ending to be. Before going with that, what was your ending?
Krasinski: It comes back to letting things be organic. I love that. Collaboration is king on all my sets. I learned that a long time ago: Best idea ends up on the screen. I don't care if it's mine - I legitimately couldn't care less.
So one day, Drew [Form, a producer,] said, "I have to talk to you about something." And I think it was two weeks before we shot this scene; it was down to the wire. I had the ending of Milly putting the hearing aid up to the microphone, and that would kill the creature. And I liked that. One of the first ideas I had on the rewrite was that this girl who is the black sheep ends up being the superhero of our movie. But what happened organically through the shoot - the family became the power. But I felt she still needed to be the hero, that her greatest weakness is her greatest strength.
So Drew said, "I think Emily needs to shoot the creature." And I said, "Why?" And he said, "I just think that's what the audience wants." And I said, "With all due respect, that's a producer note. I don't think I'm going to do that. You need to give me more reason than 'the audience will love it.'" And I went home, and I thought about it, not thinking I would go for it.
The next morning, I drove to the set, and I listened to a podcast, and randomly it was an old interview with Steven Spielberg from 1979, and this journalist asked why should we pay attention to these New Hollywood directors when we have these other great directors like Truffaut and others. And he said, "Because we can make great art, but we can also have fun too."
And I thought, "That's it: If I can pull this off not just because a producer thinks the audience will like it, but make it an elegant moment, that's it." So I told Drew I got it. Yes, the mom kills the creature, but it's played out where it's the mom realizing that her daughter is doing this; she has the power to beat them. And it then becomes this team ending. And the key to it all is realizing this heroic moment but then knowing it's not the end. The gun cocking - it's leaving the audience with "We can take on the world if we have each other."
Guerrasio: I think it was the right choice.
Going to take a big turn here: Have you seen the trailer to the Netflix movie "Bird Box" yet?
Krasinski: No, I haven't seen it yet, but I've heard about it, and it's one of those things where it sounds like a really cool idea. I'm psyched to see it.
Guerrasio: I bring that up because, at least from the trailer, the movie seems like a distant cousin to "A Quiet Place," with the premise being that people need to stay blind essentially to stay alive. Does that concern you at all that when the sequel to "A Quiet Place" comes out, people may have become a little tired of this kind of sensory horror?
Krasinski: No. I mean, most sequels are a hero or villain returning, but there's no story behind it. It's basically "Let's give the audience the character they want." And I think the brilliant thing about "A Quiet Place" is there's a world.
I wasn't going to do a sequel. I told them I wasn't going to participate in one and to find a new writer and director. They asked for guidance, and I had this tiny little idea, and then Drew was very smart and said, "Think on it some more while we have these meetings with other people." Then he threw the Jedi mind trick of asking me to just write the sequel, and he sucked me in.
But me going from not wanting to participate in a sequel to doing it is the same reason I hope people will want to see one. My hope is people want to revisit this world and revisit those stakes and those rules you have to abide by. That's my hope.
Guerrasio: Have you gone to filmmaker friends who have done sequels and asked them about some keys to doing it successfully?
Krasinski: No, and the reason why is because I didn't go to anybody on the first one. I had never done a genre movie, so I actually made the conscious decision to not go out to anyone.
The same weakness I had by not being a genre fan - but, I mean, I went back and watched everything before directing this - I thought would be my greatest strength. I wasn't stealing techniques; I basically took a notebook and wrote down everything that scared me. What parts of storytelling scare me? I became my own test audience.
So for a sequel, I think I kind of have to do the same thing. If I start focusing on something I have never done before and asking people how they did it, then I'll dilute the experience. I don't even see it as a sequel. Emily actually blew my mind by categorizing it the correct way after I pitched it to her. She said, "This isn't a sequel at all - this is the second book in a series of books. It's a widening of a world."
And I thought that's the best way to look at it. It doesn't feel like a sequel - it's a continuation of living in that world.
Guerrasio: For the second movie, do you feel you can be as quiet - meaning sound design - as you were with the first movie? Or was that what was special about "A Quiet Place," and now you have to explore the next story another way?
Krasinski: It's got to be whatever is organic to the film. I remember reading Steven Soderbergh talking about the editing process, and he said - I'm paraphrasing - but that at some point it becomes an organic being that will spit out any bad idea. And I think that's how I feel about this. I can't wait to get in there and keep writing and see what this movie wants to allow itself to be. And that will happen in the script process and the shooting and the editing.
But I think what's cool about the second part of this movie is the same set of rules have to apply. I can't just introduce a world where you can make a ton of sound, and if I did, there would have to be a reason for it. So it's figuring out if there are smart and clever ways to do it.
And I have to give Paramount a lot of credit. I said to them, "The reason I didn't want to do a sequel is I don't want to do anything just to do it. I understand you made a lot of money, but I'm not your guy if you're just going to crank it out." And they were so respectful. This audience response is so unique to any studio that we need to respect the people who gave us that opportunity. So hopefully we will.
Guerrasio: It would be a travesty if this movie didn't get nominated for Oscars for its use of sound, but what are your thoughts on the "popular" Oscar category? Because I think this is the type of movie that would have been considered if the academy went forward with it. Hypothetically, if you woke up the morning of nominations and were told you were chosen in that category, what would you have thought?
Krasinski: I didn't get a chance to think about it much when it was first announced, because I was shooting "Jack Ryan." But this journalist, CNN's Frank Pallotta, tweeted what I think is the most poignant point: The top 10 grossing movies of all time were either nominated for best picture, won best picture, or, in the case of "Snow White," was given an honorary Oscar.
That, to me, is film. Everything should be judged on its own merit of the same medium. The second you start putting them in smaller categories and subcategories, we might be hurting the idea of what we're celebrating. That's the way I feel about it. I think the way that guy very eloquently put it is: The popular category seems to have forgotten that the popular category has existed this whole time, by not just box office - that's one way to say you're popular, but the other is to say was it just a movie people loved that year. And all those movies on that list were nominated because they were just good.
So personally, I'm glad there's not a popular category. Because if people don't think "A Quiet Place" is one of the best movies of the year, then that's their subjective choice, and I totally respect that. And if they do think it's one of the best movies of the year, I'll feel so proud, because they saw it as just a good movie, not a good movie that had some sort of subcategory on it.
"A Quiet Place" is available on Blu-ray, DVD, and streaming.